New Guinea. I had no idea it was so large.

New Guinea. I had no idea it was so large.


And with mountains high enough for glaciers....on the equator. Think about that.


5000m+ is the highest peak from memory.


Puncak Jaya, 4,884 m (16,024 feet)


Pancake Java, my favorite mountain and breakfast combo.


I was close, but not quite on it.


Says on the map bro!


Yeah but I couldn't see that at the time. Also I had a map when I was a kid which showed a mountain at over 5000m but it must have been wrong.


You probably remember it wrong, about 40%~ of human memories are false


Maybe your memory that 40% of human memories are false, is false.


>about 40%~ of human memories are false That's an off-putting statistic. I don't like it lol.


Statistically you won’t remember it correctly so I think you’ll get over it.


64.5% of all statistics are made up.


Well you should rest easy in knowing that 78% of percentages are made up on the spot


80% of which are believed on the spot


The Dutch literally called them the "Sneeuwbergen" or Snow Mountains, I imagine they were as impressed by it as you and me


To be fair, the Dutch standard for a mountain is not that high


You just insulted my entire people, but yes


If it helps at all, even though you have the lowest land, you have the tallest people.


Naturally, how else will they stay at eye level with everyone else?


That's because humans naturally evolve so that our heads are always at a certain point above sea-level. This is, of course, another reason we've got to stop global warming.


*Dutch National Team Basketball coach donates to Fox News*


I thought Danes are taller, no?


Ssshhhhh, let them have this one


Lol. Just checked and found different answers from recent sources. Two said The Netherlands, though, and one said Denmark. Didn’t look further. In any case, both have populations that are, on average, quite tall compared to other countries.


There are only two types of people I can’t stand: people who are intolerant of other people’s culture, and the Dutch!


Sadly I'm Dutch myself but I'll let it slide because I always like this joke


Toen Cartstensz de berg zag en erover vertelde in Nederland in 1623/24 dacht men dat hij gek was omdat niemand geloofde dat het kon sneeuwen in de tropen haha


Because of those high mountains on the equator it's one of the few places were it would be possible to survive after a catastrophic asteroid strike


Holy shit, I had no idea. I went to Cotopaxi in Ecuador a few years ago and I thought that was the only equatorial glacier. It is almost 6000m though.


It’s also one of those places in WWII that was fought over from the beginning to the end of the war, and more soldiers dying from disease and starvation. It’s such a huge mini-continent and practically impassible in many places. I read a quote from a Japanese soldier of that time: “Java is paradise, Burma is hell, but no one returns from New Guinea...”


>“Java is paradise, Burma is hell, but no one returns from New Guinea... I'm not sure if that's the ultimate condemnation or something the New Guinea Tourism Board could use as a slogan.


*"come for the intrigue, stay."*


"One visit and you'll never go home again..."


Tourist:" Stay voluntarily ?" Tourist guide: "..." Tourist: "Stay voluntarily, right?"


... stay because you’ve been eaten?


...stay because you're lost in the jungle?


You’ve been holding the map upside down because we are below the equator again haven’t you!


Because of the implication.


Focus Group: “…is there an end to that sentence? You sounded like you didn’t complete a thought. Are you commanding me to stay?” PNG Tourism Board: 🤷‍♂️


I see you also listen to HCH


Was just about to make the same comment! Lol, such a good run he's on with Supernova in the East. I haven't ever listened to Ghosts of the Ost Front, but I think this is my second favorite of his big epics after the WWI series.


Episode 6 of Supernova in the East just dropped this week!


Literally listening to it now 🤣 I'm addicted!!! About to go on a run with those dulcet tones in my ear :)


I'm on episode 5 right now and this immediately made me think of HCH.


New Guinea! You will never want to leave! *conditions and terms may vary


Haha! Definitely not a condemnation! I think it’s when you try to invade such a large place and realize that nature and terrain make the logistics of mobilized war impossible, that’s the result.


Can't wait for Myanmar to file a diplomatic protest, lol


One common phrase that Papuans like to use about their country is 'the land of the unexpected'. It also feels a bit ominous everytime I heard it!


Even today, the locals of both countries prefer to use airplanes to get around, a trip of one hour flying takes at least one and a half days driving, assuming there's a road in the first place


I’ve driven from Mt Hagen to Lae, it not an easy drive by any measure.


Sounds like something for a new The Grand Tour special


In Indonesian side the danger is very real on the Highlands, you could get road blocked or ambushed by rebels seeking road tolls or worse; coastal routes and urban areas (on Northern Side at least) are somewhat safer On the PNG side carjacking, roadblocks and general crime remains a problem Unless you really have to, stick with airplanes. Locals fly or barge cars and trucks instead of driving from ports.


This will be a great special


May: Oh cock.




Clarkson samples the local delicacy, Long Pig.


Fuck, that’s a bleak disparity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_provinces_of_Papua_New_Guinea_by_Human_Development_Index?wprov=sfti1


It is also important to note that a lot of people there live extremely traditionally in indigenous tribal communities. There are still a great deal of issues and the lack of medicine and modern technologies is a problem, but hdi doesn’t necessarily tell the whole story


Really makes me wonder, since when has New Guinea been continually inhabited? And why? I don’t imagine farming or hunting and gathering must be easy there. Would life in New Guinea and Egypt, both in 2000BC, looked similar?


https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/887/ Check out this link! I used to live in New Guinea. The soil is unbelievably fertile because the island is very volcanic and rainy. So farming is very productive. Agriculture developed there independently from the rest of the world with crops like yams and taro. It would have looked very different to Egypt (desert vs rainforest, River vs mountains), but both were following the seasons and growing crops.


That’s extremely interesting! I never figured highlands and places with such varying elevation can be so fertile


Yes the difference in elevation in Papua New Guinea actually makes the agricultural products grown there really diverse. I lived in a town called Madang on the coast where the local crops were things that grew well in hot tropical temperatures (coconut, papaya, bananas). But in the town market you could also buy fruit and vegetables that grow better at colder temperatures (strawberries, carrots, potatoes) that were brought down the Highlands Highway from the cooler Highlands. New Guinea generally has terrible cuisine but those were the sweetest strawberries I'd ever eaten!


I lived in the Eastern Highlands Province for about 15 years. Like you said, we could grow everything up there besides the tropical fruits. And agreed, those strawberries, so sweet, yet the Papua New Guineans that grew them never ate them. They told us they were far too tart for their liking and only grew them because we bought so many of them. Bananas too, it took me almost 10 years to start eating them again now that I’m in the US. Even now, these taste so bland compared to the ones we’d get from our backyard.


I think it independently developed agriculture around 10,000 years ago and has had many nations on it ever since. In 2000 BCE Egypt had already unified upper and lower. It was extremely hierarchical and therefore could engage in massive public works like Karnak or the pyramids. To the outside world I think much of the history century by century isn’t well known but I don’t think the evidence favors it ever being consolidated, and the administration likely fell to different groups that would inevitably compete for resources.


Looks like habitation began around 60,000 to 50,000 years ago with the earliest evidence of agricultural irrigation systems being found around 10,000 years ago and sugarcane being cultivated 6,000 years ago. However would 2000 BCE Egypt and New Guinea look the same? No. While New Guinea had agriculture, it's likely they stayed in tribal groups in the highlands (Papua people) or the coast (Austronesian people). The first known records are documents regarding some of the peoples tributary status under Majapahit.


Can recommend "Right to the Edge: Sydney to Tokyo By Any Means" in which Charley Boorman does his thing around the Pacific Rim, including Papua New Guinea. It is not an easy place to get around, for sure. The most challenging part of the trip as I remember it, though it's been a while. It didn't get nearly as much attention as Long Way Round/Down (probs due to the lack of Ewan McGregor) but it's good if you've got the adventure itch.


Excellent YouTube channel I recently found is Missionary Bush Pilot. He flies a small plane around to all these tribes in Papau New Guinea, landing on grass airstrips. https://youtube.com/c/MissionarybushPilot


The terrain in Papua is so difficult that has one of, if not the highest density of language *families* in the world, and the diversity of species is insane.


Also, even nowadays, one of the most dangerous places on earth. They have the most dangerous capital city in the world, ahead of Bagdad… unbelievable place


Why is their capital the most dangerous in the world?


It’s basically a lawless place, extremely dangerous for foreigners. Read a little bit about Port Moresby. To be honest as an European I always assumed that Asian countries were somewhat peaceful. But no, apparently they have absolute shitholes too!


Why would you assume that 😂


lol that was a very misplaced assumption [South Thailand Insurgency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency) [Philippine Communist rebellion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_rebellion_in_the_Philippines) [Philippine Moro Conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_conflict) [Indonesian Papua Conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_conflict) [Piracy in Indonesia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Indonesia) [Myanmar Internal Conflicts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conflict_in_Myanmar) Not to mention all the gang and drug wars that regularly involve murder, extortion, and kidnappings. Still a lovely part of the world to live in so long as you stay out of the trouble spots.


> Asian countries were somewhat peaceful. Even if you didn't know about the violence in PNG, did you forget that Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, etc are in Asia? There are also places in mainland SE Asia that are extremely dangerous (remote parts of Myanmar, etc).


Also southern Philippines that has their MILF problem


if they have a problem with MILFs they should send me to intervene


People have been there for a very long time but there were uncontacted tribes in the highlands until most of the way into the 20th century. Many clusters of tribes in living in their own world, hemmed in and historically fearful of the other tribes they often knew as their farthest reach of said world. Europeans didn’t even venture to the highlands properly until the 1930s (it was simply too difficult and too dangerous - even the locals finding such a trip so), not long before WW2... which as usual stuck to the coast. There are also over 1000 languages spoken there, and depending on how you count them up to a third of the world’s separate language families... so we’re not just talking an arbitrarily split dialect continuum or two.


Also it was one of about seven places that independently cultivated agriculture around the same time, so the ball has been rolling on it as a massive self sufficient island with a plethora of nations on it for some time


Did you read that quote or hear it on Dan Carlin’s “Supernova in the East”?


I mean I literally heard Dan read it about a half hour ago


Me too!


Yep! I heard him quote it from a first hand account in his “Supernova in the East” series! (I didn’t want to say ‘heard’ as if I have a connection to someone personally, but I know it is from a written source.)


Wow I was just listening to this at work, this post also reminded me immediately of Dan Carlin


My grandfather fought in WWII in New Guinea and got malaria and nearly died. It probably saved his life as he got to leave. He worked in the Air Force maintaining planes on a landing strip in the jungle. The Japanese would occasionally bomb and his buddy was on the wrong side of a plane and got hit with an explosive. 50/50 shot what side of the plane you happened to be working on...


> My grandfather fought in WWII in New Guinea Same, in medical corps, he almost got blown up trying to get wounded soldiers out of an area being hit by mortars. He said it was slow going, clearing the enemy out pillbox by pillbox


Well if you have never contracted malaria living in Papua then you haven't really been there lol, got a buddy born there and he got it since childhood


> Java is paradise, Burma is hell, but no one returns from New Guinea My grandpa served in New Guinea during WWII (Australian). Caught malaria several times, wounded by shrapnel, burns to his back, lost several mates and suffered from night terrors for many years. He was one of the lucky ones. God I miss him.


hijacking to say that the island New Guinea has two countries on them, Papua New Guinea in the East (North on this map) and two provinces of Indonesia in the western part, called Papua (South on this map).


"Lost In Shangri-La" by Mitchell Zuckoff tells the story of a US forces airplane during WWII that crash landed way up there beyond reach, and the crew had to wait out a substantial part of the war among an undiscovered tribe.


My dad was stationed there for almost four years during WWII


I wouldn’t consider 1942 -when it was invaded- to be the beginning of the war


Hardcore History used that quote [in the episode which literally came out this week](https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-67-supernova-in-the-east-vi/). I’d highly recommend it if you’re into that kind of stuff.


Hahaha Dan Carlin’s hardcore history supernova in the east episode five!


I just heard that quote today.


Just heard that quote yesterday when listening to Dan Carlin's Supernova in the East Ep: 6. Such a great series if you have never listened to it.


I've been there, and I likewise massively underestimated the scale when I was planning on how to get around :P We wound up just visiting Sorong (where London is on the map) and Manokwari.


Would you recommend it? How long to get a good experience?


So we were on the Indonesian side, as opposed to the independent side. I imagine they're massively different experiences, although they might be more similar if you get out of the areas that are mostly populated by Indonesian colonists. We flew into Sorong so that we could go [Scuba diving in the Raja Ampat archipelago](https://www.indonesia.travel/gb/en/destinations/maluku-papua/raja-ampat). It was amazing and I'd recommend it 100%. We then went over to Manokwari so that we could go see some Birds of Paradise. We [went up into the Arfak Mountains and saw a handful of birds](http://www.papuatribes.com/raja-ampat/honeymoon-package-raja-ampat/raja-ampat-tourism/raja-ampat-papua/arfak-mountain-birding-trip-papua/), although we weren't there in the right season to see a lot of stuff. If you're into birding then I'd recommend that too, although Manokwari is not a town with much tourist infrastructure. I'm pretty sure we were the only Westerners in the whole city while we were there. Honestly the landmass is so big and diverse we could have spent weeks there. We had planned to go into the interior valleys for a big hike, but they shut down transportation for tourists [due to some protests and rioting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Papua_protests).


Now it makes sense when I read somewhere new guinea has a huge number of languages (Papua New guinea has roughly 800 alone), and where they are still finding new species of animals.


A lot of that diversity was not even known to the outside world until aerial surveys discovered it in the 1920s and 1930s


And people




Fun fact: the border between Papua New Guinea and West Papua is the 141st meridian and aligns with the Australian state borders between NSW, South Australia and Victoria plus a bit of Queensland. There's a little deviation in New Guinea for the Fly River.


Also the western half was unjustly conquered by Indonesia and the whole place should be its own country.


The local Papuans are constantly rebelling. Though apparently Indonesia is filling up the west with Javan colonists to overwhelm the west demographically. Should be easy given the number of people living on Java..


So basically Ethnic Genocide?


Conquered is maybe the wrong word. Kennedy convinced the Dutch to hand it over to Indo so that Indo would be pro-US and anti-communist.


Transmigration of Javan colonists to Papua: In the provinces of Papua and West Papua, the program has resulted in the Papuan population of Melanesia origin totalling less than the population of non-Melanesian (principally Austronesian) origin in several locations. According to Papuan independence activists, the Papuans have lived on the New Guinea island for an estimated 50,000 years,[12] but have been outnumbered in less than 50 years by mostly Javanese Indonesians.[13] They criticize the program as part of "an attempt to wipe out the West Papuans in a slow-motion genocide".


Additional fun fact: Papua New Guinea is the most linguistically diverse country in the world. There are 840 living languages spoken in the country.


And due to the mountain/valley geography, people living only a few kilometres from each other are speaking different languages their whole lives. Also… the nicest people you’ll ever meet.


The nicest people? Not sure if you’ve ever been but visiting is highly discouraged due to violent crime being rampant, armed robbery, assault, murder, sexual violence,.. is incredibly high and very wide spread


And cannibals.


Lol who downvoted you? it’s true


Idk about nicest, they are pretty tribalist and don’t like outsiders. Some are even cannibals


Sadly they're being overwhelmed with false information through the likes of Facebook and other social media which they never really got to see properly before it became hyper-commercialized and prone to fake articles. Doesn't mix well with the superstitious beliefs many of them still have. Many corrupt officials, tax payer money just disappears, large debts to overseas entities (see China) for infrastructure and other developments, minimum wage only guaranteed in Port Moresby, the capital and it's a laughable hourly rate. Gangs with makeshift firearms will conduct highway robberies of public buses and private vehicles, so many people prefer to travel by air or ship if the opportunity is available and affordable. That all being said many of the rural folk get by as subsistence farmers, usually setting up stalls on the side of the road to sell excess product or drinks and the like they bought from the local market. The main tribal disputes you will hear about occur up in the highlands which is very much a modern wild west. Terrible shit happens that you'd never hear about because of the remoteness of some of the villages.


What’s the terrible stuff happening? Just murders and such?


[This is a great documentary on the inter-communal conflict](https://youtu.be/xywK_sBm948)


>Some are even cannibals Reportedly. Though the tribe that is said to practice this has a population of 3,000 people.


Probably 2,999 since its breakfast time over there now.


Chuckles in Pidgin.


Isn’t Papua New Guinea where we’ve had some of our most recent prion disease outbreaks because of cannibals eating brains?


The prion disease is called kuru and there haven’t been any cases for decades. As far as we know cannibalism is no longer practiced on New Guinea.


That was due to funerary practices where they ate their dead as a sign of respect, so not necessarily an indication of increased "hostility" of the tribes involved.


India should have more, right? I'm studying linguistics and I've heard 1700


No. India has 453 living languages.


I thought 462 but may have learned that too long ago.


Yes, but many are dead. What makes India arguably more diverse is that each language has way, way more speakers than each language in Papua New Guinea. There are 13 languages spoken in India by more than 40 million people each. Which is why English is so useful. India is basically like Europe, but is a country instead of a continent and has states that are as different from each other as European countries are. Each state has its own calendar, festivals, languages with their own script systems (while Europe in only has a couple of major script systems, every single Indian language has a completely different one), their own music, dance and art forms, etc


Do you think languages like Tamil will persist over and above the use of Hindi, or do you think English as a global language superseded the national language project?


I definitely think that trying to implement Hindi as the national language is quite possibly the worst thing a government could try to do that would almost certainly result in dissolution of the union. It doesn't make any sense, as a majority of Indians don't speak Hindi even as a second language. It just happens to be the most spoken, but is only spoken by well short of 50% of Indians, so making it a national language is completely unjustified. There is a very strong anti Hindi imposition sentiment in south India, which hopefully persists to ensure that languages like Telugu and Tamil will persist over the use of Hindi. Reasons for anti Hindi sentiment are: 1. Fear of south Indian languages dying out within a century due to lack of people learning them, despite being spoken by more than half a billion people. Most north Indians who migrate to the south don't learn the local language and expect to be understood when they speak in Hindi, while south Indians who migrate to the north have no choice but to learn Hindi, which results in more people willing to just switch to Hindi when talking to any Indian and the need for south Indian languages dying out. Making Hindi the national language will just speed this up and kill other languages for good. 2. Hindi is a new language, at least relative to south Indian languages, as it only came into existence 700-800 years ago when Muslim rulers infused Persian, Turkish and Arab loanwords into the Aryan dialect spoken in north India at the time. South Indian languages have existed for a couple millennia at least with rich written and oral histories and cultures, so south Indians believe that making them learn Hindi and accelerating the decline of use of their languages is effectively erasing thousands of years of their cultural identity and past. 3. Learning English does not mean all Indian languages will die. The main reason north Indians are opposed to English having more relevance in India is that it is a foreign language imposed by the invaders, and speaking it might result in Indian languages dying out. However, being bilingual is very easy, and there are clear demarcations of where languages are used in India anyway: in professional contexts English is used, at home the mother tongue is used. The "being bilingual is easy" part is also used sometimes by north Indians to justify Hindi being used as the national language, just as it is by south Indians for English, but like I said, English is always used in a certain context, and the local language in a different context. If Hindi is made the national language, people will either speak English or Hindi, if not, people will either speak English or their local language.


Wow, having no prior idea about the linguistic situation in India this was really insightful! Thanks a lot


Hindi was given by mugals? That's interesting.


Extremely good writeup! Language politics is always a fascinating thing. I think North Indians have a point in that English is the language of the invaders, but that doesn't mean they can impose their own linguistic hegemony on the South. That merely makes them guilty of the same crime. I wanted to note that you are slightly wrong about the origin of Hindi. [Old Hindi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hindi?wprov=sfla1) was extant [*apart from*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hindustani?wprov=sfla1) the Delhi Sultanate, which then influenced it, just as [Old English](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English?wprov=sfla1) existed and then was influenced by Old Norse.


It's interesting to compare Hindi as the national language of India vs Indonesian as the national language of Indonesia. I learned while travelling Indonesia that one of the reasons that imposing Indonesian as a national language was that barely anyone spoke it natively as their primary language. All the different islands and communities around Indonesia have their own language, and Indonesian was introduced just to be a language for everyone to use to communicate with each other. So no one felt like a particular ethnic group was trying to impose their language and culture on the rest of them. It was just a handy way to communicate. Folks in the country were actually super surprised that I, a white foreigner, didn't speak Indonesian. They knew it wouldn't be my first language, but they just assumed that everyone everywhere would have learned it in order to get around. Because it's also apparently an extremely easy language, because it was modified to be simple and easy for anyone to learn.


\+1 for the comparison of India to Europe. I love making that comparison for people.


PNG has the benefit that it is so isolated, and the geography makes it very hard to connect different tribes. Whereas India has been conquered by large powers and united and isnt so inaccessible. So yes, actually has less languages..


I’m shook, my mum grew up there and I always thought it was this tiny little island and she would be like “oh my god you could get lost there, no you can’t go on a hiking trip it’s dangerous in the jungle” which I mean, she’s right but like damn, you could really get f*ing lost


Ah, so your mom is from Britain 👌


That Yorskhire rainforest is too damn dangerous.


With actually more rain than forest.


Oh how I wish we’ve had a forest growing’ up!


There were hundred an’ fifty of us livin’ in t’coconut shell in t’middle o’ t’road.




Also, Penzance pirates still strike ?


Otc reading all the Sherlock Holmes books as a kid made me think the UK was miles and miles of dark and scary bogs


No that's just Yorkshire


Wouldn't be too far wrong.


Lol Australia. Raised in Port Moresby


My parents met there when they were both living there in the early 70s. We then lived there again when my sister and i were young, i started school there. It was quite dangerous then (early 80s), my parents haven't back since, they say it's just too dangerous, even for a holiday. When i lived there my grandparents came to visit. We did a weekend trip up to the Highlands in a light plane. We were flying between misty mountains that rose vertically out of the rainforest floor, the pilot using his knowledge of the route to guide us. My grandfather was a Rat of Tobruk in WW2 and he said that flight was the scariest thing of his life, scarier than anything he endured in the war.


Yep large mountains and sprawling I ungle, which is why us Australians had such a hard time fighting the Japanese there in WW2, especially during the Kokoda Track Campaign


It's also one of the least explored areas in the world, hosting around 40 uncontacted tribes and large areas no other human has ever entered.


Yeah. People in the power centers of the world always underestimate the size and diversity of those kinds of places. Our brains just weren't designed to analyze faraway things like that accurately.


David Attenborough once encountered some tribespeople in the forest. Last I read they've never been contacted since.


And hopefully the people and the nature are left some bit alone.


Lots of WWII history here. It is said one should not fight a land war in Asia, and I would argue one should also not do so in New Guinea e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokoda_Track_campaign


There is a free Virtual Reality experience called Kokoda VR. I tried it last year and had no idea fighting like this even took place on these islands. I know all war is bad,. But this really was like real life team death match island survival mode. Both sides not prepared for the terrain. If you ever get a chance check out the experience ,. It's very informative.


doggerland is back


It looks small on a map because it's dwarfed by Australia, but yeah it's absolutely huge.


It looks small on a map because of the projection


I have the opposite reaction actually. I knew it was long from east to west, but it doesn’t seem as large from north to south as I thought.


I agree! It’s only about twice the size of Norway. I also expected it to be larger.


Japans pretty cool too, when it’s put next to the US it stretches from Miami to Maine


Or Chile, or any country near the equator. Russia is huge, but not that huge. But everything in Africa is fucking massive.




Basically there are 6 stupidly huge countries in the world. First is Russia which is almost twice as big as #2... followed by Canada, China, the US, Brazil and Australia. After that it's a big gap in size down to #7 which is India.


What in the fuckity fuck


Same with Norway and Sweden too - and New Zealand. All three are about the same length as Japan. They're not huge countries, but they are long boys. Nothing compared to Chile though, but nothing compares to its ridiculous length.


The Free West Papua movement is something more people need to learn about imo, Indonesia and Australia really screwed them over


Don't forget The Netherlands and the UN.


Pretty much every country save for Senegal and a few pacific islands was complacent. The Indonesian annexation of Papua was a genuine military conquest and almost every nation just stood by and watched even after the absolute bullshit that was the act of “free choice”. Far worse than the Crimean annexation, the golan heights or Western Sahara but nowhere near as controversial.


And mining companies.


Yeah they did that whole island dirty


Damn, even New Guinea is avoiding Belarus.


My grandfather was stationed in New Guinea for a short time, his crew was ambushed by the 'koppensnellers' (Don't know the English name), the cannibals, and most of his crew were killed and devoured. My grandfather is one of the few people who was able to befriend the cannibalistic locals and eventually managed to come home with some sort of tribal spear that still had a special poison om the tip of it. He never really talked about what happened to him there, but according to my mother, he partook in some of the cannibalistic practices. But he all he ever did tell me was that it was a serene and beautiful place, even more so than our home country, which he loved dearly. Never knew it was this large though.




One of the worst battlefields of WW2. Worse than hell.


mErcATor PrOjeCtiOn iS wRoNg. We've been through this.


I think this is more about how big New Guinea is than about the projection. I mean, I’ve know the issues with projection for ages, but New Guinea is not a country I have on my radar that often, contrasting with Europe, which is really a ton of tiny countries (generalizing a ton) but that we tend to hear about waaaaaay more


Which explains more why around 1/9th of all human languages are found there (if my memories are correct)


I never realised how huge Indonesia is. [https://i.imgur.com/S60sFZ8.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/S60sFZ8.jpg)


Today I realized PNG and the whole continent of Australia are closer to the equator than Britain is.


That’s why nobody puts it on maps. It’s too big


"Texas is actually quite small on the Mercator projection, but it's actually the size of Mars in reality"


I mean, the actual state of Texas IS much larger than Bruno Mars


The equal earth projection is better for getting an idea of how big countries are. The shapes are distorted much more but the sizes are distorted much less


r/MercatorHate Have some originality people.


It was banned :c


Omg europe is small post number 9999


In the past, I thought New Guinea was like a dinosaur.


Me too!


It might as well still have dinosaurs living in the rainforest /s




Can confirm. Walked from the star mountains to the coast. Was very long.


How is the deforestation going there?


Worse on the Indonesian side. Mostly driven by Malaysian lumber companies and palm oil plantations. The Melanesians have no say in what is happening to their resources.


So I’ve read. Can’t the gouvernement do something about it?


Powerful interests that control the goverment are profiting from it.


Yeah that’s just pathetic.


Obligatory Map Men Video https://youtu.be/jtBV3GgQLg8